Debate Open Thread.

[Pic from New York Magazine.]

This is gonna either be a disaster or a snoozefest. 

Take it away, folks!

Final Thoughts? I’m not so sure. Biden was blustery and verbose and competent; Palin didn’t make any major gaffes, but she was still her normal, vague self. I call it a tie.

What say you?

10:32- Biden pulls out the Dwayne Wade thing. Also, HOFSTRA REPRESENT!

10:29- Palin and McCain will fight for America and the middle class. Also, as Reagan said: there is a post-apocalyptic future that awaits us, where men will eat the flesh of other men, and giant cyborg roaches will guzzle the blood of once-free  humans. Unless you vote McCain/Palin. 

10:25- Palin has never been wrong as governor of Alaska or mayor of Wasila.

10:23- Biden heard me through the screen! I’m made of magic! He murked that shit. MMMMM. GOOD.

10:21- New rule: Mavericks cannot call themselves ‘mavericks’.

10:20- It might be cynical, but Biden’s personal story pwns hers. She shouldn’t have opened this up. This is a good, good move. WHAT? HE TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE AT THE SIDE OF HIS CRITICALLY INJURED SON’S HOSPTIAL BED! HE WENT HOME EVERY NIGHT ON AMTRAK FROM DC TO TUCK HIS KIDS IN!

*Tiger Woods fist pump*

Also, he tears up a bit. 

10:18- I want Ifill to rein this explosion of aphasia and self-aggrandizement just a little bit. Thx, MGMT. 

10:13- She’s doing surprisingly…okay. Biden hasn’t landed one zinger.

10:12- ‘Her reward is in heaven!’ PALIN IS AGAINST REMUNERATION FOR TEACHERS. She’s playing this question well, I think. 

10:09- I’m too annoyed right now. 

10:06- To paraphrase Chris Rock, Palin is holding. She’s taken to not answering the questions and linking Biden to McCain. Weird.

10:00- Joe Biden should be a wide receiver. He’s arrogant and refers to himself in the third person. Also, to extend the football metaphor, the time of possession gap has completely flipped.

9:58- Okay. He’s going in now. He brings up the Lugar bill. Good move.

9:56- She’s kinda losing her balance here.

9:55 – Here’s the linking of McCain to Bush, right on time.

9:54- WHOOPS. ‘There have been huge blunders.’ Expect a parry here.

9:50- Biden hits back, and its his best parry: McCain doesn’t get that the Ahmadenijad doesn’t control the military in Iran, McCain wouldn’t sit down for diplomatic talks, even though it’s become the popular position, even with Spain. This is his strong suit.

9:49- Kissinger shared with Palin his passion for diplomacy. True story.

9:39- Foreign policy. This could be a mess. Palin says we have to win Iraq and Obama voted not to fund troops. Biden said that McCain doesn’t have a plan,and voted against funding as well, for an amendment to a bill that had a timeline for withdrawal. He said, gracelessly, that he would end the war. She pauses for about five seconds. She said he’s waving a white flag, and gets in a jab on Biden’s friendship with McCain. Biden points out that McCain had been consistently wrong about Iraq.

9:36- This could be a possible wedge issue: same-sex marriage. Kudos to Biden for being forthright about it, but it could bring a lot of blowback. Palin says she’s tolerant, but doesn’t want to re-define marriage. Biden demurs and says  he is not for gay marriage. The cowardice on this issue is embarassing. Argh. Like Akon’s career, America’s opposition to gay marriage will one day prove to be a source of great generational shame. 

Also, Palin has gay friends. Whoop-de-damn-doo! (c) Derrick Coleman.

9:30- Okay. Ifill asks Palin about climate change. She basically says that she doesn’t care about the causes. Um. Alrighty then. Also, energy independence. Biden says the cause is man-made, and says McCain has consistently voted against renewable energy sources. He rightly points out that drilling on the OCS will take forever to yield oil.

9:28- She jumps off the economic question to go back to energy.

9:27-Okay. Maybe we spoke too soon. That answer on the much-derided bankruptcy bill was pretty awful.

9:24- She’s doing the time of possession thing, which shouldn’t be working. But it’s working. She’s getting better at pivoting back to those talking points, although that ‘only been at this for five weeks’ line was silly.

9:21- The inevitable “Bridge to Nowhere” shot by Biden. Corny.

9:16- Biden seems to be trying to match her in that department.

9:06- This has been repeated over and over, but she crafts some truly bizarre sentences.

48 thoughts on “Debate Open Thread.

  1. slb October 2, 2008 at 6:44 pm Reply

    i’m hoping for disaster, but predicting snoozefest.

  2. quadmoniker October 2, 2008 at 6:57 pm Reply

    The problem is the low level of expectation set by SP. If she says anything remotely more sensible than “I have a vast variety of news sources where we get our news,” then it can’t rightly be called a disaster. And it’s hard for her to make more of an assault on grammar than that.

  3. LH October 2, 2008 at 8:23 pm Reply

    Biden seems convicted. Palin seems a bit tentative.

    And did Biden just get semi-crunk with, “That’s what I’m talking about” twice?

  4. LH October 2, 2008 at 8:30 pm Reply

    Nonsensical??? What? Wow … look at Gov. Palin.

  5. J.R. Bernard October 2, 2008 at 8:30 pm Reply

    Palins had a few moments where shes been like eff this debate, ill talk about whatever the f*ck i wanna talk about.

  6. e. October 2, 2008 at 8:32 pm Reply

    uhm i love it “i don’t want to argue about the causes of climate change.” palin just stop.

  7. universeexpanding October 2, 2008 at 8:34 pm Reply

    wait wait wait.
    “I wouldn’t attribute every man made activity to changes in the climate”
    Um. shouldn’t that sentence be the other way around? Or am I missing something?

    JPB: yeah, Palin is just like, “Fuck that question, what I wanna say about my record is…”

  8. universeexpanding October 2, 2008 at 8:39 pm Reply

    Palin paraphrased: “But I have gay friends!”

  9. LH October 2, 2008 at 8:42 pm Reply

    Did you all peep how she would not say she agrees with Joe Biden? What is that about?

  10. J.R. Bernard October 2, 2008 at 8:47 pm Reply

    lol Palin Tolerates gays. I’m sure she tolerates all the other minority groups as well.

    Tolerance!= Acceptance Mrs. Palin.

  11. universeexpanding October 2, 2008 at 8:48 pm Reply

    “Nucular.”
    Sigh.

  12. Steve October 2, 2008 at 8:51 pm Reply

    1. She’s said energy more than Keri Hilson

    2. That gay exchange was awkawrd on both sides …. I hated it.

    3. I’m over the colloquialisms..

    4. Bush says nucular the same way

  13. shani-o October 2, 2008 at 8:51 pm Reply

    Joe is doing a great job. He’s called out McCain’s record repeatedly, and hasn’t done much to her.

    I find it really amazing that she tosses out a lie, or mischaracterization, he shuts it down, and she tosses out another one.

    UE- I did notice her sentence was backward. And what’s funny is that she said it backward yesterday, too.

  14. slb October 2, 2008 at 8:57 pm Reply

    “past is prologue, gwen.”

    i’m gonna have to start saying that all the time now. just… randomly.

    also, on an unrelated note: i want her to stop saying nucular.

  15. shani-o October 2, 2008 at 8:58 pm Reply

    Why does she get to be condescending?

  16. Steve October 2, 2008 at 9:02 pm Reply

    I’m still not over the fact that neither of them gave a shit about the gays they were tryna move over that question fast as hell

  17. quadmoniker October 2, 2008 at 9:04 pm Reply

    I WANT TO DESTROY HER.

  18. slb October 2, 2008 at 9:05 pm Reply

    at least we know now she wasn’t saving any hidden substance and intellect for the debate….

  19. LH October 2, 2008 at 9:07 pm Reply

    @ Steve: LOL @ energy/Keri Hilson
    @ shani-o: because she’s a woman. That’s how it works.
    @ Steve: I think both Biden and Palin were pretty “straight up” about gays.

  20. LH October 2, 2008 at 9:08 pm Reply

    @ slb: “Past is prologue” is so stolen.

  21. shani-o October 2, 2008 at 9:08 pm Reply

    Slb: you *should* say ‘past is prologue’ all the time. I do, and people think I’m way deep!

  22. G.D. October 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm Reply

    LH: That gay marriage answer was a complete hot potato.

  23. universeexpanding October 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm Reply

    If she says “maverick” one more time….

  24. LH October 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm Reply

    Who is she winking at?

  25. slb October 2, 2008 at 9:10 pm Reply

    “past is prologue, *gwen*” is what i’m gonna be sayin’.

  26. LH October 2, 2008 at 9:10 pm Reply

    @ G.D.: If so, I think we have Ifill to see about that.

  27. LH October 2, 2008 at 9:12 pm Reply

    Ohhhhh woooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

    Say it ain’t so, Joe AND There you go again?

    Really?

    Someone.make.it.stop.

  28. slb October 2, 2008 at 9:12 pm Reply

    she’s giving SHOUT-OUTS to elementary schools? i bet that kitsch wins her a few votes.

  29. J.R. Bernard October 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm Reply

    I see Palin just giving a slew of shoutouts. Thats wassup

  30. J.R. Bernard October 2, 2008 at 9:14 pm Reply

    Palin going hard at the moderator and biden tonight

  31. shani-o October 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm Reply

    I cannot take her passive aggressiveness!

    UE- I have grown to hate the word ‘maverick.’

    I love that her kids are ‘public school participants.’

  32. universeexpanding October 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm Reply

    LH: she’s winking at her dad apparently. he’s in the audience.

    Lol @ the shoutouts.
    Gee whillikers! Goshdarnit! Heck!
    I have $10 on her saying “shucks” before the end of the debate or using a barnyard analogy.
    Could she be the bastard love child of Bob Dole and Ross Perot?

  33. J.R. Bernard October 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm Reply

    Biden speaking from the heart right now.

  34. shani-o October 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm Reply

    Oh no!!!!! Joey! Come here, let me hug you…

  35. e. October 2, 2008 at 9:23 pm Reply

    biden tears up and palin shuts up. i’m glad he let her know she’s not the only freaking parent running in this election.

  36. slb October 2, 2008 at 9:23 pm Reply

    ooop! attacking the “maverick” thing. *finally.*

  37. quadmoniker October 2, 2008 at 9:25 pm Reply

    SLB: I know!

    Also, I think it was really smart for him to turn that “domestic” bullshit around. How dare she suggest that he doesn’t know what it’s like to be a parent with hard choices just because he’s a man? Biden’s doing well.

  38. slb October 2, 2008 at 9:28 pm Reply

    i was so offended that she didn’t comment after he said that. he would’ve acknowledged her tragedies, if she’d disclosed any. she seems kind of heartless to me. like a cipher. well, no. like tracy flick, basically. kind of… sociopathic?

  39. quadmoniker October 2, 2008 at 9:31 pm Reply

    Yeah. Also, since when does a governor whose family makes more than $200,000 a year get to call herself average?

  40. LH October 2, 2008 at 9:32 pm Reply

    @ alb: I honestly don’t think she knew what to say. she doesn’t strike me as being bright enough to be quite that heartless.

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